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redonihunter21 hours ago

/__site/tsomyst.itch.io/lavoice ? Why do you think that game uses generative ai assets or code? What do you mean with dependencies? 

You talk about the Clair Obscur "controversy"? That is the case I talked about. They missed some placeholder graphics. Even such non issues are news. If you cite this as an example how developers intentionally mislead players to buy their gen ai games, your argument loses credibility.

You claimed this: people who use generative AI tend to hide the fact they used it , and so far you could not convince me of this.

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Eldwood21 hours ago(+2)

So far, I have seen:

  • At least one game with “No AI” disclosure that straight up admitted to using generative AI on the game page.
  • At least one game with “No AI” disclosure that used AI-generated stock art. Meaning: the stock art has an itch.io page, with affirmative AI disclosure.
  • At least one account spamming games with “No AI” disclosure faster than they could possibly be made by humans.
  • A whole bunch of games with “No AI” disclosure with suspiciously AI-looking “art”. I tend to give these the benefit of the doubt individually because I can’t prove anything, but collectively speaking I am sure that at least some of them used generative AI, directly or indirectly.
  • There are also games that use the manual “No AI” tag whole admitting to using generative AI in the AI disclosure, or the other way around.

Clearly most people who use generative AI don’t hide it, because most new games on Itch.io admit to using generative AI. At the same time, there are clearly some games labeled as “No AI” that use generative AI, whether due to error or deliberate deception.

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redonihunter21 hours ago

Claiming that some people are dishonest is a trivial truth.

But the claim was people who use generative AI tend to hide the fact they used it , and to my understanding, this says: most people are dishonest about their ai usage.

You and me see the opposite of that claim happening. The sheer number of ai disclosed games clearly tells that "people who use gen ai" are not hiding it. Not in significant numbers. So, no, they do not tend to hide that they used it.

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KibbleKitten15 hours ago

I'm not here to debate or do free labor for you.  I was clarifying the perspective of "why" to someone else, anyway, and I've got other things to do.

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redonihunter10 hours ago

Do free labor for me? What the

Your "why" was your personal opinion that has no foundation in facts. People do not lie about ai usage in games in significant numbers.

There is too much ai, yes. But the problem is not that most people lie about things having gen ai in it. The problem is not that it is hidden. The problem is that it is everywhere and in abundance. Usually clearly marked.

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KibbleKitten5 hours ago

You're asking me to convince you, provide examples, and explain to you what dependencies are.  This is all labor you can do on your own that I'm not going to do.  I simply don't have the patience to engage in an argument I didn't consent to having.  Just because I'm not willing to give you examples (which digging those up is an example of the labor I am talking about) does not mean it is not based on experience that informs the facts I am expressing.

Anyway, please stop contacting me.  I no longer wish to discuss anything with you.

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